For those of you in 1st period who were unable to participate in our Socratic seminar Friday, please post your thoughts here.
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Although I can't remember all of the questions from Friday, the one about the influence of parents on their children did stick out to me. Although I feel like it would be so much easier for anyone to just say that a person's outcome is solely reflected on their childhood upbringing, it would be an unfair claim. I think that parent's do play a crucial role in setting a foundation of what the world is and what decisions should be made, however they are not completely responsible for the outcome of their child because there comes a time when every person must grow up and leave their parents. When a person leaves their parents' home they are entitled to their own opinions and own lifestyle, it is simply up to them on whether or not they choose to carry what their parents have taught them into their future, or to adopt a new set of ideas and morals.
I found Part II of In Cold Blood to be very interesting in the fact that I found Dewey and Perry to be the two characters to have a significant role. Throughout the beginning, Dewey, the man in charge of the Task Force regarding the deaths of the Clutter family, I saw that Dewey is truly dedicated to solve the murder case, sooner if he could. Dewey symbolizes our author Capote because, if I remember correctly, you had mentioned how Capote wanted to learn so much of the murder case, and figure out every details for himself to make In Cold Blood possible to compose. In conclusion, Dewey stood out to me more, even if Dick and Perry's stories is rather significant.
In regards to the whole "Fate" versus "Free will", I would like to join that with something we learned from Mr. Dies. Mr. Dies, when teaching us about cause and effect, mentioned that we are all here and everything that has happened has happened because of the choices we make. Each decision is a cause to an effect that ultimately leads us to where we are, and it is shown in "In Cold Blood". Perry would never have been a criminal if he hadn't gone jail, and he wouldn't be in Jail if he hadn't chosen to steal, and he chose to steal because he couldn't get much honest work, and he can't get honest work because of his crippled legs, and he has crippled legs because he chose to get a motorcycle instead of a car, etc. I see nothing in 'fate' because to me, 'fate' is what you call a cause you have yet to identify.
In Cold Blood Part 2 i feel that Perry's character was discussed the most- we got to hear two point of views from his sister and father. Although Perry did have a rough child hood his father made sure Perry still received some love. I feel that ones parenting skills does carry onto the child's life as an adult but to a certain extent in that some can either stay with the pain they dealt with when they were younger or learned from their experience. In David R. Dow TED talk he explains a case with Will, a young child from North Texas. Dow then describes Will struggle as he moved from house to house after being abandon from his mother. Will was then on his own at age 9; A year later Will was found guilty for a murdering a innocent individual. What i found interesting was when Dow stated that "80% of inmates that are on death row came from a dysfunctional family". I would like to connect this to Perry in that he is one who had to deal with a dysfunctional family. This proves how parenting skills has a lot to do with how a child develops into an adult. If more then half of the inmates that are on death row came from struggling families, this only proves that ones environment as a child is crucial. The child's environment serves as a platform of how a child is going to be when they are an adult.
I can't remember the questions from Friday, but the one that stuck out to me the most was forgiving or forgetting. When the question was brought up the first thing that came to mind was the word 'Timshel' from John Steinbeck's East of Eden. Particularly, the ending of East of Eden because Lee kept telling Adam Trask to move on from the death of Caleb and forgive Aron. People should forgive, but never forget. In the case of the Clutter family, the two older girls should not seek vengeance for the death of their family; it doesn't mean that Dick and Perry should not be punished, but also doesn't imply they should not be let loose. Vengeance is not going to solve any solutions, for all it causes more problems.
Unfortunately, I do not remember all of the questions from the disscusion on Friday. But, the one that did stick out to me was weather we should Forgive, or Vengence Dick and Perry. Although I do feel we should question who really is the master mind behind the murder, and who is full-filling that loneliness. In opinion I placed my name half way because I wouldn't be any better than Perry, and Dick if I decided the law should decide vengence. Now am I saying to let them go? No; instead I would keep them in jail for life. Now I question myself would we in our own perspective truely forgive these criminals if it was my family? Depends.
Although many people were saying it was fate about Dick and Perry murdering the Clutter family, I strongly want to disagree and say it was their choice to do that. I agree that family influences the type of people we become, but we should all be able to distinguish between right and wrong. Everybody is allowed to separate themselves from their family, and leave their own legacy instead of following other footsteps. I feel that Dick and Perry let their environment get the best of them, and instead of making the right choices and not harming people, they continued the cycle. I also feel that tying this all into what we discussed weeks ago in Ethics. if Dick and Perry were mentally stable, then they would have known that it was wrong, and they wouldn't have murdered an innocent family. However, seeing as they were capable of such cruelty, I feel there may have been a glitch in their brain of some sort, something that triggered them to the point of murder. Personally, I thought it was unnecessary to have Mr. Clutter tie up his own family, and gag his own wife; I think that took it to the point of cruelty and insanity. -Iliana Salazar
The question that left me thinking was the one that asked if Perry and dick should be forgiven or not. I think they should be forgiven because they are actually caring people as described when the investigators saw that the victims bodies were placed with pillows, a mattress box and Mrs. Clutter was tucked in as if the criminals wanted to make the dead feel comfortable. As we learned in economy class, criminals make their decisions based on their benefits and costs. Maybe at that moment their benefit outweighed the costs of the crime so killing the Clutters was rational in their minds. Plus, forgiving makes you the better and bigger person.
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Although I can't remember all of the questions from Friday, the one about the influence of parents on their children did stick out to me. Although I feel like it would be so much easier for anyone to just say that a person's outcome is solely reflected on their childhood upbringing, it would be an unfair claim. I think that parent's do play a crucial role in setting a foundation of what the world is and what decisions should be made, however they are not completely responsible for the outcome of their child because there comes a time when every person must grow up and leave their parents. When a person leaves their parents' home they are entitled to their own opinions and own lifestyle, it is simply up to them on whether or not they choose to carry what their parents have taught them into their future, or to adopt a new set of ideas and morals.
I found Part II of In Cold Blood to be very interesting in the fact that I found Dewey and Perry to be the two characters to have a significant role. Throughout the beginning, Dewey, the man in charge of the Task Force regarding the deaths of the Clutter family, I saw that Dewey is truly dedicated to solve the murder case, sooner if he could. Dewey symbolizes our author Capote because, if I remember correctly, you had mentioned how Capote wanted to learn so much of the murder case, and figure out every details for himself to make In Cold Blood possible to compose. In conclusion, Dewey stood out to me more, even if Dick and Perry's stories is rather significant.
In regards to the whole "Fate" versus "Free will", I would like to join that with something we learned from Mr. Dies. Mr. Dies, when teaching us about cause and effect, mentioned that we are all here and everything that has happened has happened because of the choices we make. Each decision is a cause to an effect that ultimately leads us to where we are, and it is shown in "In Cold Blood". Perry would never have been a criminal if he hadn't gone jail, and he wouldn't be in Jail if he hadn't chosen to steal, and he chose to steal because he couldn't get much honest work, and he can't get honest work because of his crippled legs, and he has crippled legs because he chose to get a motorcycle instead of a car, etc. I see nothing in 'fate' because to me, 'fate' is what you call a cause you have yet to identify.
In Cold Blood Part 2 i feel that Perry's character was discussed the most- we got to hear two point of views from his sister and father. Although Perry did have a rough child hood his father made sure Perry still received some love. I feel that ones parenting skills does carry onto the child's life as an adult but to a certain extent in that some can either stay with the pain they dealt with when they were younger or learned from their experience. In David R. Dow TED talk he explains a case with Will, a young child from North Texas. Dow then describes Will struggle as he moved from house to house after being abandon from his mother. Will was then on his own at age 9; A year later Will was found guilty for a murdering a innocent individual. What i found interesting was when Dow stated that "80% of inmates that are on death row came from a dysfunctional family". I would like to connect this to Perry in that he is one who had to deal with a dysfunctional family. This proves how parenting skills has a lot to do with how a child develops into an adult. If more then half of the inmates that are on death row came from struggling families, this only proves that ones environment as a child is crucial. The child's environment serves as a platform of how a child is going to be when they are an adult.
-Alejandra Perez
I can't remember the questions from Friday, but the one that stuck out to me the most was forgiving or forgetting. When the question was brought up the first thing that came to mind was the word 'Timshel' from John Steinbeck's East of Eden. Particularly, the ending of East of Eden because Lee kept telling Adam Trask to move on from the death of Caleb and forgive Aron. People should forgive, but never forget. In the case of the Clutter family, the two older girls should not seek vengeance for the death of their family; it doesn't mean that Dick and Perry should not be punished, but also doesn't imply they should not be let loose. Vengeance is not going to solve any solutions, for all it causes more problems.
Unfortunately, I do not remember all of the questions from the disscusion on Friday. But, the one that did stick out to me was weather we should Forgive, or Vengence Dick and Perry. Although I do feel we should question who really is the master mind behind the murder, and who is full-filling that loneliness. In opinion I placed my name half way because I wouldn't be any better than Perry, and Dick if I decided the law should decide vengence. Now am I saying to let them go? No; instead I would keep them in jail for life. Now I question myself would we in our own perspective truely forgive these criminals if it was my family? Depends.
Although many people were saying it was fate about Dick and Perry murdering the Clutter family, I strongly want to disagree and say it was their choice to do that. I agree that family influences the type of people we become, but we should all be able to distinguish between right and wrong. Everybody is allowed to separate themselves from their family, and leave their own legacy instead of following other footsteps. I feel that Dick and Perry let their environment get the best of them, and instead of making the right choices and not harming people, they continued the cycle. I also feel that tying this all into what we discussed weeks ago in Ethics. if Dick and Perry were mentally stable, then they would have known that it was wrong, and they wouldn't have murdered an innocent family. However, seeing as they were capable of such cruelty, I feel there may have been a glitch in their brain of some sort, something that triggered them to the point of murder. Personally, I thought it was unnecessary to have Mr. Clutter tie up his own family, and gag his own wife; I think that took it to the point of cruelty and insanity.
-Iliana Salazar
The question that left me thinking was the one that asked if Perry and dick should be forgiven or not. I think they should be forgiven because they are actually caring people as described when the investigators saw that the victims bodies were placed with pillows, a mattress box and Mrs. Clutter was tucked in as if the criminals wanted to make the dead feel comfortable. As we learned in economy class, criminals make their decisions based on their benefits and costs. Maybe at that moment their benefit outweighed the costs of the crime so killing the Clutters was rational in their minds. Plus, forgiving makes you the better and bigger person.
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